According to a San Jose Mecury News writer, Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia, AMD and others will be making an announcement at GDC next week that they will all be forming a "PC Gaming Alliance". The goal here is to revive the PC gaming industry and make it more competitive against the console industry, which in turn would hopefully get more developers to bring games onto the PC.
This along with the recent Ageia take over by Nvidia really shows that these companies mean serious business. Granted, Microsoft is going to win either way here. You PC gamers excited to hear that you haven't been forgotten about?
[Via DevelopMag]
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WHY PENIS WHY???
02/13/2008 20:29
;)
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I can build a PC, I don't do it because nothing is released on the PC these days that isn't done better on the consoles. Seemingly as always, the killer blow is struck by a Penny Arcade comic from last week.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/06
Simply put, why would you go through all the bulls**t of installing a game and finding drivers when you have something that will do it right away?
Unless its made by Introversion of course.
02/13/2008 21:01
While I agree with console over PC for the most part that comic isn't about PC's at all. The DMC4 for PS3 installs itself onto your hard drive. So yea....kind of a stretch to use that comic even though it does have a lot of the same sentiments.
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Another thing is, its hard to really compare 'consoles' to 'pc' in terms of sales.. consoles are multiple platforms and the pc is just one platform. Sales for PC games are all put together as one, where as sales from consoles come from every single console. So you can have Game A) sold on PC - and get its numbers from there.. but then you have Game B) which was purchased on console 1, console 2, console 3, and handheld 1 and 2. And they put those together with the 'console market' group. So ofcourse its going to seem consoles are 'dominating' and pc's are dieing but that really isn't the case at all.
02/13/2008 21:19
Gotta say though that the Voltron reference is fantastic...kudos
02/13/2008 21:23
Poor ATI will have it's heart broken and so close to Valentine's Day too...
02/13/2008 21:24
BLASPHEMY!
02/13/2008 21:31
Sorry but i think that ONE machine that never needs upgrades will always win over a machine that has bugs, conficts and patchs to fix your version.
Also computer games are sooooo much easier to copy. No modchip needed and i think THAT really hurts pc gamming. Activision even said soo when they saw all the pirated version of call of duty connecting to their servers.
Even thought i think that PC gamming IS better because it soo versatile and you don't need to buy the machine from a company to play those games.... i think that the need to always UPGRADE and the "update your drivers and find the patch" is getting old. I was a pc gamer about 10 years back but i got tired of looking for answers on forums......
I like to just buy a game, put it in the cd tray and press play and not have to worry is my video card is strong enough and what graphics settings should i pick to have the best experience !!!!
PLUG AND PLAY !!!!! EASY = BETTER
02/13/2008 21:33
LAWL, Hot Rod Rulez!!!!1!
02/13/2008 21:34
But even the token of it is nice. If AMD and its biggest competitors all have enough cojones to pal up and try to save... er, themselves - then, while it certainly won't save it, it should make the passing of PC gaming "as comfortable as possible".
02/13/2008 21:35
02/13/2008 21:44
PC gaming will always be there for CC, MMOs, Starcraft, Diablo ect... But NCsoft wants to change that trend...
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02/13/2008 21:50
I'm not exactly sure what a bunch of PC gaming hardware manufacturers can do except lower their prices and pressure OEMs to be more price competitive with consoles. I mean, if they are trying to compete with consoles, they are aiming at consumers who will buy a Dell gaming machine, not build their own.
I mean, what else can they do on their own without game publishers helping out? They should have at least added Steam and Blizzard to the alliance, basically the only two companies that are keeping PC gaming alive.
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Eh.
I guess I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best.
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Or maybe people just don't like PC gaming, maybe they enjoy sitting down in front of a big HD with a controller, maybe they don't care to spend a lot of money on a gaming rig when a $300 dollar console does the same thing(all PC gaming gets is better graphics, controls is subjective).
Or maybe people just want variety in their games, what's been the big releases for the PC so far, shooters and a single RPG, what's next for the PC? And RTS game and more shooters.
Let me guess, you're one of those guys that looks down on console owners because we play inferior versions of games?
PC gaming is bottom tier my friend, its never gonna die don't get me wrong but it will never reach the lofty heights it had in the 90's.
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and you'll have to buy a new PC every year to be able to run the newest games since the 'new generation grafix chip' will be incompatible with 'last-gen hardware'...
I live in Belgium where there's basicly only 2 broadband-providers and they work together to keep prices jacked WAY up ( 8Mbps downstream with 10Gb limit/month costs you about 45/50 € ( 50/60$) ), if intel, nvidia and amd (ati) are going to work together there's 2 ways it can go, or it stays as it is where you have to buy a new GPU every 4 months if you want to stay 'top-of-the-line' and able to play ANYTHING that comes out, or they will slow the 'product-cycles' down ( they'll all be working together, so why would they try to hurt eachother by creating something that is WAY superior? ), and then instead of having to get a new system every 4 months like you guys do now, you can get a new one every year or so, while we just keep on buying new systems once every 5/7 years, while spending all that money that you are pouring down the drain on keeping your PC up-to-date on nice games for our consoles...
plus we'll be playing on 37" HDTV's versus you playing on 17"/19" screens, while we lay back in our comfortable seating arrangements and you bend over your desk...
damn I love gaming on consoles...
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every single games that are released on consoles can be released on a PC. which can support even those pads you're so fond of, ffs it can even use the wiimote.
unless consoles showed greater compatibility to PC working hardware, I'd be reconsidering.
All in all, whatever your PStriple does, PC does better. as far as I know, current consoles don't even support directX10 there goes your eye candy.
Vista is a huge steaming pile of shit though
02/13/2008 23:18
02/14/2008 00:16
alright I see alot of bullshit here. Point is, The mouse & keyboard is stronger than the pad.
well I don't think so, I'll agree with you that it has a higher precision in FPS/strategy games, but I'll beat anyone in a racing/fighting/sports-game with a controller over a keyboard...
Also as mentioned in my previous reply, the keyboard+mouse just is not a comfortable way to play games compared to a gamepad...
at first I wasn't convinced about playing FPS on consoles either but eventually the feeling of comfort and a screen that's at least twice as big as my PC-screen won over the 'feeling' of precision...
gaming is my hobby, as in what I do in my spare time, I work on PC's at work the whole time and I thank god that I can just come home, throw myself in a comfortable seat and just play within the next minute ( contrary to having to boot my PC into a horribly slow OS ( compared to Linux/MacOsX ), thus also making it vulnerable to any 14-year-old script-kiddie in this world... and then having to start the game)
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Hey Microsoft, pro tip: port a buncha the 360 exclusives to PC, AT LEAST your first party shit, and get on that live anywhere 360 vs. PC shit for fuck's sake.
02/14/2008 03:25
Also, Why Penis Why?
02/14/2008 04:48
Yeah, as fps_ted and others have said, nVidia + AMD/ATI just seems weird, almost "Sonic and Mario in the same game?! WTF?" weird.
02/14/2008 05:29
The concept that PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming died with the PS3.
Secondary lols go out to the claim that all PC monitors are non-HD 17 to 19 inch deals.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014158
This thing kicks the shit out of my TV.
02/14/2008 06:05
My only hope is that this "alliance" focuses on encouraging developers to write more efficient games that require less hardware. People look at Assassin's Creed and go "See? See? PC gaming is expensive," conveniently forgetting that you can run the Orange box on a toaster. RAM is cheap enough to give out at Halloween (You can get a GOOD 2GB kit for $40). AMD dominates the budget processor realm with great deals right now, and both nVidia and ATI have cards that run games decently for cheap. There is no good card for Crysis yet, but most games aren't Crysis.
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02/14/2008 06:21
I get that keyboard and mouse are good for some games, but those games are but a small portion of genres that consoles can do easily, and more besides. I've enjoyed a lot of PC gaming in the past, but the likes of hardware developers rule its castle, have killed it for me. This leaves them building a lofty hardware race that many of us can't bother with.
Consoles will always trump PCs, because their priority is games. Not hardware or software etc, games.
Hey PC gamers, come back and tell me how SSF2THD is on PC. Oh year, you guys aren't getting it (let alone any beat em ups). The reason behind this is PCs lack of solid 360 control pad support, something MS should be pushing more on PC, next to this alliance (I'll be watching to see if they do). Only then will PC gaming begging to thrive more next to consoles.
02/14/2008 06:52
I'm not going to claim that the PC can play every title that the 360 can, but the 360 has less exclusives than some might like. Let's face it, I can play CoD4, Orange Box, Sega Rally Revo, Bioshock, GRAW 1 and 2, Gears of War, Roboblitz, Lego Star Wars, Oblivion, Rainbow Six Vegas, Stranglehold, Kane and Lynch (for better or worse), and soon Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect all on PC as well as the 360. Those are just the ones I remember. Some of those games are well ported and others aren't, but it's safe to say the PC isn't quite left in the dark.
I don't want to argue (even though it might not seem like it), I just can't stand it when people hate on PC gaming based on uninformed opinions.
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It's like console fans have to constantly convince themselves that they have the superior platform every time an article about PC gaming shows up. Hey, if you like your console, why don't you just play it and stop throwing out 15-year old myths around? I mean, that's what PC gamers do. Play games. But from time to time we have to debunk the FUD that gets spread over the tubes.
What kind of FUD?
PC gaming is expensive: Yes and no. I've seen the good ol' "OMFG YOU NEED A $2000 MACHINE TO PLAY CRYSIS ON MEDIUM!" rant thrown out a lot. I just built a $800 machine (with some mild OC) a few weeks ago that runs Crysis on high with 40+ FPS, and that's not counting with the fabricated ingame benchmark. Obviously the cost is more than todays consoles, but it also a far cry (yay puns) from the $2000, or even $1000 (if you know where to luck) figure people throw out. Don't want to build it yourself? Add +$50-$75 for a local/small computer shop to make it for you.
PC gaming requires patches: Xbox Dashboard and game updates, Wii firmware updates, PS3 system software updates. WTF DO YOU THINK THESE ARE?! Newsflash: OSes and games are not pristine and perfect out of the box on any platform, including consoles. To slam PCs alone for this reason is petty. Installing patches and drivers on PC is a rather painless endeavour.
PC gaming is just shooters and WoW: I'm guessing the people who spew this out are regulars at GameStop that don't bother to give the time to look at "the other shelf". I would list all the non-shooter and non-MMO games I've played this year, but I know someone would throw a "but there's still more shooters!" line regardless. Let's just say that the FUD in question is false, especially when you add non-retail games into the equation.
My ran may seem a bit aggressive. But I just woke up and this was the first thing that popped up from my feed reader, and obviously my blood boils a bit when people spread misinformed "facts" about one of my hobbies around.
Oh, happy Valentine's Day! Remember to shower your console with chocolates, flowers and kisses.
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Seriously, a gaming PC costs about 1000 and a Xbox360 cost around 500+ when released. For 500 dollars more you get so much more power how is that a bad deal? And my PC isn't ever going to RROD on me and if something does go wrong with it I can just fix it myself. Can any of you open your Xbox360 and fix it?
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DYNOTHERMS CONNECTED!
MEGATHRUSTERS ARE GO!
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"And I'll form the head!" Oh, my head's formed alright...
02/14/2008 10:11
I hate the fact i have to upgrade and upgrade and soon Bam!!!!!!! Iam out of catch and my freaking PC is like obsolete in a matter of minutes.
I Love PC gaming because in so many ways, alot of old PC games still look better and are alot more fun than todays consoles.......Mass Effect on PC.....HIP HIP.....HURRAY.
Can i Run it....Hip Hip Hip......Ummmmmm Nooooooooo Probably Not. Yay.
PS. Voltron Rules.
02/14/2008 10:13
Iam so Retarded...Duh!!!
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02/14/2008 20:47
XNA Studios was a good idea but many people forget to read the fine print at the bottom of Microsoft's contract and the use of XNA. Sure you can make games and go to sell them later on, but Microsoft OWN your idea, they own every other idea you think of from then on after that is game related (sounds like Warner Bros).
It will be good to see what happens with this new Devastator Alliance
02/15/2008 04:58
xbl brought online gaming en masse to consoles with things like universal friendslists...
it brought consoles into the high def era, directly competing with pc's.
it released dx10, which looks the exact same as dx 9 and is vista only, even though crysis in dx10 will action run on xp?
it released windows vista, which sucks performance wise for gaming...
It stole halo, bioshock, etc, that would have been pc exclusive games that were neutered to run on consoles.
seriously =) we'll see what happens, but all that really needs to happen is for the price of pc components to drop 75%, making it cost the same to build a console as build a new pc, given you have to build a new fucking pc every year just to keep up with the planned obsolescence strategy held by nvidia, amd, microsoft and intel themselves.
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