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'Games cause rape' psychologist says even more dumb crap photo

Ignorant psychologist Carole Lieberman has quickly made a name for herself among gamers after claiming that games like Bulletstorm can be blamed for increasing sexual assault cases. Fortunately, she has decided to come forth and qualify her statements ... by saying even more backwards shite

"My FoxNews.com statements were taken out of context and made to sound more inflammatory than they were meant," she stated. "Nonetheless, I stand behind my view that media violence, and particularly videogame violence is harmful. Thousands of studies have shown that the more violent media a person consumes, the more desensitized to violence and the more aggressive they become.

"When this violence is sexualized it is even more stimulating. And rape is a violent crime. Furthermore, research has shown that, not only do people become more aggressive in a general sense, but they also act out copycat violence in response to behaviors seen in movies, TV shows, and video games."

Lieberman, in trying to contextualize her statements, has only made herself look like a liar. There's not even one thousand studies backing up her claims, let alone several thousand, and those studies that do exist are questionable at best. Just read Grand Theft Childhood for examples of the kind of crap she's talking about.

Lieberman also described her background, but again, she did nothing to really justify her claims. 

"Since the FoxNews.com article didn't describe my background, it made it seem as though I was simply making a flippant remark," she argued. "Actually, I have  been a researcher in media violence for over twenty years and, as such, have testified before Congress several times, been the head of the National Coalition on TV Violence, and have stopped the 'Schwarzenegger rocket' (a NASA rocket that had planned to have an ad for Last Action Hero on its exterior). I was also invited to contribute an essay to Larry King's book Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, about video game violence."

Admittedly, that's a lot of years researching the stuff, but if she's been doing it for such a long time, she should know that there are just as many studies arguing against her claims as there are ones backing her up. She'd have heard about the Byron Report, which says that no conclusive videogame violence test exists, and in the case of children, such a test would be impossible, ethically. In declaring her years of research, she has only betrayed her ignorance and prejudice in favor of the weak studies that back her up. 

Finally, she addressed the negative reviews of her book on Amazon, saying that they "prove" her claims that games make people aggressive. Because, of course, it is the fault of videogames that people decided to give her a taste of her own ignorant medicine. 

"I have received an onslaught of abusive emails, phone calls, and angry comments from gamers to the point of harassment… What has been most disturbing is the Amazon-bombing that gamers have done, regarding a book that has nothing whatsoever to do with video games. I wrote Bad Girls: Why Men Love Them & How Good Girls Can Learn Their Secrets in an effort to help men and women find the love they deserve. The so-called reviews have served to prove that video games do make people more aggressive, indeed."

I can play that game, too:

The so-called reviews have served to prove that FOX news articles do make people more aggressive, indeed. 

It's just that fucking easy to back up your ludicrous opinions with vague correlation. Which is how those "thousands" of studies are made, indeed.








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DaShiz 21's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:06
DaShiz 21
My face when...
http://www.destructoid.com/new-study-game-violence-doesn-t-predict-violent-behavior-189925.phtml
phoebus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:06
phoebus
She clarifies by pointing out that she said exactly what people thought she said? Guess no one has to worry about holding back any more.
phoebus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:11
phoebus
And then basically equating satirical/angry book reviews with being a deranged criminal and rapist. Yep, she deserves it.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:11
Bakewell
What a dreadful mess.

She is clearly talking bollocks but the people writing reviews (whilst witty) are doing nothing to prove gamers are a mature and reasonable bunch.

Any retaliation against this odious hag should have been done with a lot more class.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:11
tuoman
Lieberman's comments paraphrased.

"My comments on FoxNews were taken out of context in order to make me look like a retard. Let me clarify, I am a retard."
Kal Zakath's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:13
Kal Zakath
I would like to know where she went to school. If I ever wrote a paper that said "research shows" and didn't back it up with something any of my teachers would have failed me, and they would be completely justified.
Ma'am I would like to ask you where I can find your published articles concerning the ties between rape, videogames and violence. Oh and by published articles I do not mean Foxnews.com or some trashy UK magazine, I am looking for a legitimate scientific journal and something that has been peer reviewed. Until you can provide me with that information I will wait patiently for you, and other narrow minded individuals out to make a name for themselves to slowly fade away in anonymity and eventually die a nobody.
Agro's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:18
Agro
Her sense of logic is mind-boggling. The only thing that the amazon reviews tell me is that ignorant statements about video games make gamers angry and sarcastic.
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:19
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
They are right I remember playing Kirby's Epic yarn and thinking...."ya know...I feel like ruining someones life and causing them emotional trauma for years (maybe even decades) to come." Good job Fox News {Sarcasm}
Blahblahblahblah's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:21
Blahblahblahblah
Nothing wrong with having a dissenting opinion, but when that opinion takes logic and fucks it right up the ass, well, they deserve to get verbally fucked up the ass.
ihaveascreenname's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:23
ihaveascreenname
You know, studies also show that violent people tend to enjoy violent media. It's pretty much a chicken/egg scenario, or to be more precise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
Slive's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:24
Slive
Firstly, I read many of those reviews and they did not seem angry they seemed very satirical if not actually making a valid complaint.

Secondly, that valid complaint is that you shouldn't write books teaching girls to fake a personality in order to attract a man that they would better off without anyway.
SithZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:27
SithZombie
Last Action Hero is hilarious.
Yumsandvich's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:28
Yumsandvich
I'm even more disappointed in this woman now that I know she stopped an ad for Last Action Hero being put on a rocket. That would have been the best space mission featuring an action movie ever.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:29
DeusPayne
I'm glad she clarified herself. Now there's no doubt whatsoever that she's retarded.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:30
Nic128
Games do make people more aggressive? No, attacking something you care about makes people more agressive.

Go on and bash on religion and see what difference it will do.
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:30
fluxanimator
Somebody get this lady a copy of Flower stat!
Tygerclaws's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:32
Tygerclaws
Yes, how dare we express our disdain for your idiotic and indefensible dreck in the only way we are able to ensure you will see it. We could, of course, start calling you and let you hear everyone's opinion on your lack of intelligence.

Also, I find it quite ironic that she's getting so worked up over getting badmouthed and slapped around when the title of the book implies that she should love getting badmouthed and slapped around.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:32
KingSigy
I'm pretty sure recent scientific studies have shown that the more realistically violent something is, the less likely someone is to replicate it. No one likes real violence, unless they have a screw loose.

She also doesn't mention anything about parenting. Parents dictate how a child should act, whether they like it or not. Not showing a single semblance of interest in your child will lead to violent acts which could be triggered by games, though that is still questionable.
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:33
fluxanimator
Also I think she shows that NOT playing games can make your brain rot.
2bad4u's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:34
2bad4u
"Correlation does not imply causation."
That is the most basic thing I have learned from my Psych classes so far, and it's all I need to say... for now.
2bad4u's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:35
2bad4u
Also, @Lenigod:

I lol'd
bardock's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:36
bardock
after playing the bulletstorm demo i was so deranged and horny that i raped a bazooka. true story.
mxdirector's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:38
mxdirector
why aren't you a fox news contributor. Sterling on the o'reily factor, I would watch that.
cornagandarub's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:38
cornagandarub
>Play Plants Vs. Zombies
>You are now expert gardener
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:40
fluxanimator
haha
>play Madden
>you are now professional football star
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:42
brainderailment
Games = Rape because reasons!
Scowlface's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:43
Scowlface
Does this woman self publish? It upsets me to think that some editor allowed their company to publish such lazy and baseless "research" and parade it as scientifically conclusive. It's like she's not even trying.
Fearzone's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:43
Fearzone
Yeah, before TV people were much less violent.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:45
Everyday Legend
At least she'll go down in history for being the one who stopped advertising for a shit movie going where no ad had gone before.

That's probably the brightest spot on her resume.
Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:46
Scissors
There more to Media violence than monkey see monkey do. Here's a great documentary I watched that explains that violent media doesn't make people more violent, but instead more scared of violence happening to them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtRw-QKb034
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:49
fluxanimator
Assasin's Creed made me so Italian you don't even know. The climby, stabby kinda Italian too.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:51
tuoman
>play phoenix wright
>run law firm
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:56
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
Play Bomber Man

Cia Break into your house o_O {your a terrorist}
D-Nez's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 14:59
D-Nez
It's scary that people like this are considered authorities on this subject and their opinion can impact decisions as high as the congressional level (according to her anyway). I shudder to think!
Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:01
Scissors
If you or anyone you know watches Fox News you should have a talk with them and logically explain the harm they are doing to our country. Their news is inaccurate, wrongly reported, promotes violent behavior, and is one of the largest flames that is dividing our country apart.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36461790/Case-Against-Fox-News-2
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:06
Epic-Kx
>Play Marvel vs Capcom 3
>Eat pringles, mangoes, scoops of Haagen Dasz and have a deep hatred for the New York Knicks
XxSteviexX's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:08
XxSteviexX
I killed AND fucked a God today
GunSlap's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:09
GunSlap
I am getting really sick of people saying "Studies have shown" without mentioning a single actual study.

In fact, here is an actual study that says the OPPOSITE of everything that she claimed. Rape has GONE DOWN in the U.S. 85% since the 80s!

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013##

Real Facts? PAH! We don't need those!
fluxanimator's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:10
fluxanimator
@Scissors
Fox isn't any worse than any of the major news orgs. They are all pretty crap. Fox has the highest ratings though. So it doesn't get a pass like many of the others.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:13
Handy
>Play Noby Noby Boy
>Uhhhhhhhhhh...
Hell Hammer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:16
Hell Hammer
"rape is a violent crime."


Uhhhhh...Yep, sounds like over 20 years of research to me!
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:16
Stephen Beirne
"Finally, she addressed the negative reviews of her book on Amazon, saying that they "prove" her claims that games make people aggressive. Because, of course, it is the fault of videogames that people decided to give her a taste of her own ignorant medicine."

Well... yeah. She's right.

Basically I see no reason within this article to think your argument is more credible than hers.

*shrug*
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:16
Knivy
>Play harvest moon
>Hire immigrants to do the farm work
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:18
VolksONER
THIS JUST IN... video games are responsible for the Salem witch trials, the Holy crusades, the spaniards rape of south America, slavery and the Nazis.
Because before video games rape, mass genocide and violence in general didn't exist.
Batthink's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:18
Batthink
Say goodbye to ever getting a high overall rating on your books, Carole. You'll find your comments hard for us and Amazon to swallow now. ;O)
Piellar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:22
Piellar
>Play Muscle March
>Crash through building walls in tight underwear
ISaidNo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:23
ISaidNo
"The so-called reviews have served to prove that FOX news articles do make people more aggressive"

Dammit I was going to say that
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:24
Discarded Couch Sandwich
Why are gamers always portrayed as serial rapists by the media? I've been playing video games my entire life and I've only ever raped two people; even one of them was an accident. Shows what she knows.
SBC Slam's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:26
SBC Slam
Sorry to say, good fellows, but I have to side with the good doctor on this issue. Why, just last night, I was playing MW2 multi-player when, suddenly, rape!
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2011 15:27
Knivy
>Play the game
>Lose the game
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